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Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama's Cap and Trade laws

News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:13 PM EST

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Just a few considerations in addition to previous remarks about the explosion of the East Anglia Climategate e-mails in America. The reaction is growing exponentially there. Fox News, Barack Obama's Nemesis, is now on the case, trampling all over Al Gore's organic vegetable patch and breaking the White House windows. It has extracted some of the juiciest quotes from the e-mails and displayed them on-screen, with commentaries. Joe Public, coast-to-coast, now knows, thanks to the clowns at East Anglia's CRU, just how royally he has been screwed.

Senator James Inhofe's Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has written to all the relevant US Government agencies, acquainting them with the nature of the e-mails. But the real car crash for Obama is on Capitol Hill where it is now confidently believed his Cap and Trade climate legislation is toast. It was always problematic; but with a growing awakening to the scale of the scientific imposture sweeping the world, as far as the Antipodes, the clever money is on Cap and Trade laws failing to pass, with many legislators sceptical and the mid-term elections looming ever closer.

Climategate: Science Museum's green propaganda backfires	Telegraph	Mon Nov 30	0
Climategate: the IPCC is over says UEA climate scientist	Telegraph	Fri Nov 27	3
Vincent Gray on Climategate: 'There Was Proof of Fraud All Along' (PJM Exclusive)	Pajamas Media	Fri Nov 27	8
Big Brother is watching--should you care?	Pajamas Media	Sun Nov 29	0
The hacked climate science email scandal that wasn't	ScienceBlogs	Fri Nov 27	96

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{"commentId":10916476,"authorDomain":"hello-newman55"}

tangojones

Blowback's a b*tch...lol. Hold on to yer skinny drawers, barack baby, the global warming house of cards hoax is about to come crashing down. Prof. Gore's empire of fraud, too.

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11 votes

#1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:16 PM EST

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tangojones

For the first time, Anthropogenic Global Warming cranks are on the defensive, losing their cool and uttering desperate mantras such as “You can be skeptical, not in denial.” Gee, thanks, guys. In fact we shall be whatever we want to be, without asking your permission.

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1 vote

#1.1 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:13 AM EST

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tangojones

At this rate, Copenhagen is going to turn into a comedy convention with the real world laughing at these liars. Now is the time to mount massive resistance to the petty tyrants and hit them where it hurts – in the wallet.

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1 vote

#1.2 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:14 AM EST

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More Than Happy

Not exactly, it's a tempest-in-a-teapot the climate change deniers like to brew-up.

So, CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas because someone, somewhere sent an e-mail?

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5 votes

#2 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:48 PM EST

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Paul Lucero

The facts are what are in dispute.

The pope had Galileo Executed for claiming the earth revolved the sun"!

When science is perverted for personal aims only great evil results!

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1 vote

#2.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:51 PM EST

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tangojones

The pope had Galileo Executed for claiming the earth revolved the sun"

Galileo was not executed. A papal trial found him guilty of heresy and he was placed under house arrest. He was allowed to receive visitors was granted limited travel to Florence. He died of old age.

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3 votes

#2.2 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:04 PM EST

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More Than Happy

Paul, Galileo was not executed, and facts are not changed by dispute. The science has been perverted by the energy industry because some bloated executives are offended by the idea that the markets could fail as badly as it has with global warming.

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2 votes

#2.3 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:27 PM EST

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madvargr

Yeah - facts are disputed...Like you can now sail around the North Pole in the Arctic Ocean because so much sea ice is gone - like how there are no glaciers left in Glacier National Park - Keep on Keeping On, Climate Change Deniers.

Meanwhile, China is working overtime to develop Clean Energy so they can avoid the oncoming Oil trap the US loves to wallow in. Hope you like paying $100 a barrel to fund all those Terrorists you guys like to complain about...

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3 votes

#2.4 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:11 PM EST

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Paddy Clarke

madvargr,

Maybe you can read some opposing views on that matter .... and kinda read the other side of the matter where the Antarctic Ice Shelf is growing.

Man-made global warming is a hoax. The antidote ? Educate yourself.

I would suggest enviro-whackos to take their organic blankets, burrow deep into the ground and smoke ganja the rest of their lives. Leave the rest of us be, will ya ?

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3 votes

#2.5 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:50 PM EST

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tangojones

madvargr

Are you sure you want to use China as an example of faithful stewards of the environment? lol

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2 votes

#2.6 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:15 PM EST

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Paddy Clarke

China is working overtime to develop Clean Energy

Oh, really. I don't think they can do what they did during the Olympics and exist long as a country.

TangoJones,

Are you sure you want to use China as an example of faithful stewards of the environment? lol

Being progressive in the US has that effect on people. So, they cite China as being good stewards but don't like their political system. They like French healthcare system but ..... no nuclear energy for the US, here we want windmills. It's selective liking, in other words the US is bad, everyone else is pure like the driven snow.

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3 votes

#2.7 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:36 PM EST

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iconoclasm

no nuclear energy for the US

It's the conservatives that blocked nuclear energy in the US. The French energy sector was totally nationalized at the nuclear build out in that country. Outside of safety and waste disposal issues nuclear energy is financially risky. You have an expensive complicated build out to get the cheap power on the back end. In the US free market the demand may not be there by the time you get into production.

When I say it's the conservatives that blocked US nuclear, it's them, the moderates, and even what most would call liberals. The US doesn't get warm and fuzzies off of anything even close to nationalized health care, the energy sector is no different.

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2 votes

#2.8 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:11 PM EST

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Blayde

I am having a hard time finding news about this that has not been produced by a conservative source. I think you are right More Than Happy.

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3 votes

#3 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:54 PM EST

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More Than Happy

I KNOW I'm right. All of a sudden we see e-mails from a university no one's ever heard of, and all of a sudden we're supposed to ignore all of the global warming findings from NASA, the NOAA, the USGS, Harvard, MIT, Woods Hole, every major research university in the world, etc.

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4 votes

#3.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:58 PM EST

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tangojones

Well, duh. You think the liberal MSM is going to run with this story? It gets 1/2 a paragraph on pg. 28, and then it's buried. Libs don't want facts interfering with their agenda.

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9 votes

#3.2 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:01 PM EST

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More Than Happy

No, they're not, and that's great. You know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, right tangojones? Do you think that fact changes because someone, somewhere sent an e-mail?

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3 votes

#3.3 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:03 PM EST

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tom sevigny

MTH,

Facts never change. What would be considered an inevitable exposure of fraud, however is what we are talking about here.

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4 votes

#3.4 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:14 PM EST

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More Than Happy

Then we can talk about the EPA during the Bush years, which repeatedly suppressed or ignored or twisted evidence supporting global warming hypotheses. THIS e-mail thing doesn't even register as 'fraud'.

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2 votes

#3.5 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST

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tangojones

You know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, right tangojones?

So is water vapor...and a much more significant one, at that. Do you want to classify that as a toxin, too? CO2 is essential to life on earth. Global warming is a fraud.

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7 votes

#3.6 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST

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More Than Happy

The dose determines the poison, tangojones, and water is not a gas at normal atmospheric temperatures, but CO2 persists in the atmosphere for a long time. We should force energy companies to take responsibility and assume the true costs of their activities.

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3 votes

#3.7 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:25 PM EST

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tangojones

Thanks for the 5th grade refresher, but it still doesn't support your argument, or explain why "leading IPCC climate researchers" were engaged in data manipulation and deception.

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7 votes

#3.8 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:39 PM EST

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JACK DEATH

climate researchers" were engaging in data manipulation and deception.

How does that work one or dozens of emails are not published papers.

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4 votes

#3.9 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST

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Rygar

Jack don't you understand? Because it came from the internet it must be true!!

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4 votes

#3.10 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:48 PM EST

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Paul Lucero

Waht the video and think about the problem!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8514

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2 votes

#3.11 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:51 PM EST

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tangojones

Excellent video link, Paul. Some of the clips were taken from this BBC documentary.

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2 votes

#3.12 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:16 PM EST

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More Than Happy

CO2 is STILL a greenhouse gas we're emitting, and no, I can't explain why "leading" IPCC researchers were engaged in data manipulation or deception because that's just a strawman. We have decades of OTHER data from all major research institutions; e-mails of dubious origins and claims do not change that.

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3 votes

#3.13 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:31 PM EST

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Free Mason-1490678

Denial much. Why the hell arent the tree huggers elated by this news? If I were a believer ide be elated man is not behind climate change and the earth has been on a cooling trend since 1998? I mean do they want to turn America on her ear just because they can? I don't understand.

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1 vote

#3.14 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:58 PM EST

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april-1023405

I don't believe any of the global warming - never have. But there are people that have nothing else in life but this.

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4 votes

#4 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST

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tangojones

Yes, belief in global warming is something of a religious faith for it's adherents.

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8 votes

#4.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:34 PM EST

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Free Mason-1490678

Agreed tang. I ask you. Why arent Al Gore and the rest elated by this news? This means we have time to "integrate" reasonable reform?

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1 vote

#4.2 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:00 PM EST

{"commentId":10922189,"authorDomain":"free-mason"}

Free Mason-1490678

Wait I got it.........MONEY!

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1 vote

#4.3 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:01 PM EST

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iconoclasm

belief in global warming is something of a religious faith for it's adherents

I always find this argument most entertaining. You choose to ignore science and call what people who do use it as faith based?

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2 votes

#4.4 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:15 PM EST

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tangojones

Ignoring science plays no part in most "deniers" skepticism. In fact we don't ignore the science that demonstrates that AGW is improbable and unlikely, the way alarmists do. Having a science degree, I personally have an enormous regard and appreciation for science, and it's amazing contributions to the prosperity of mankind. 'Chicken little' AGW is not one of them.

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1 vote

#4.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:49 AM EST

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ScienceGuy-356641

While it is troubling that some climatologists appear to have at least discussed filtering data to improve the strength of their theories about global climate change -- an act that is a clear violation of scientific ethics -- this does not in and of itself provide evidence that man-induced climate change is a fallacy.

There is an overwhelming amount of empirical and observational data that support the contention that nitrogen and carbon-based gas emissions related to fossil fuel consumption have had a significant deleterious effect on the planet's climate patterns over the past century.

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2 votes

#5 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:49 PM EST

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carol-983330

How come the mainstream media is totally ignoring this?? well it doesn't surprise me because they are all into this global warming farse like their fellow liberals... The truth always prevails at the end and hopefully this Cap and Trade / Tax bill will go AWAY!!

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